Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002
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From: maa32 <maa32@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Subject: (urth) coldhouse
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I had always assumed that the victim in the coldhouse prank was
Sherry Gold's
brother, who was not on the best of terms with his parents and
wanted to move
out (as I recall from a readiing a few years ago - or was he already
living in
a boardinghouse?) Perhaps he confronted Weer about his sister
after getting a
job there (he was looking for a job, right?) and then Weer took the
opportunity to play a convenient prank on him. Of course, I
need to read
Peace again. Just my two cents. At least Gold has motive
to get close to
Weer, and Weer has reason to get rid of Sherry's brother.
Marc Aramini
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:30:24 -0700
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From: Michael Andre-Driussi <mantis@siriusfiction.com>
Subject: Re: (urth) coldhouse
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Marc Aramini wrote:
>I had always assumed that the victim in the coldhouse prank was
Sherry Gold's
>brother, who was not on the best of terms with his parents and
wanted to move
>out (as I recall from a readiing a few years ago - or was he
already
>living in
>a boardinghouse?)
The coldhouse prank was in 1938.
Weer met Sherry around 1954.
Sherry was only just born at the time of the prank (1954 - 16 =
1938).
Which is rather weird, come to think of it.
=mantis=
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From: StoneOx17@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:54:07 EDT
Subject: Re: (urth) The Coldhouse Prank
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In a message dated 8/23/2002 7:57:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Robert Borski
writes:
> Stone Ox writes:
> > Robert Borski argues quite eloquently that Ted Singer's
father is the
victim
> > in the coldhouse prank. I don't think this can be
right, because the
victim
> > lived in a boarding house, was locked in on Friday, and
nobody noticed he
was
> > missing until he was discovered on Monday. If the
victim had had a wife
or
> > girlfriend, surely he would have been discovered
sooner.
> But look who imparts this information about the weekend tragedy
and the
> boarding house connection: Dan French, who, not having been a
factory
> employee at the time, is simply repeating the sanitized version
of the story
> as it's been spun down through the years and perhaps even
through
> semi-official channels, since there's been a coverup. (I do,
however, and
> for obvious reasons, like the notion that the victim died on
Friday.) He
> doesn't remember the name of the victim and is completly
unaware there is an
> even more sinister side to the entire episode, with a lone
person being
> responsible for the victim's death. As Den also reminds us
earlier, such
> stories have a way of becoming "both faded and embroidered
by time," which
> results in a further blurring of the details. And lastly when
Dan French
> tells the story of the sidhe, it deviates from the traditional
in several
> respects.
> In other words I think there's plenty of reason to doubt his
version of the
> story.
When Dan French is telling the story of the sidhe, it's an embedded
story,
and Wolfe has changed, or invented, many (if not all) of the
embedded
stories, so as to shed light on events in the book. On the
other hand, if we
believe that Weer was the perpetrator of the coldhouse prank, I'd
consider it
part of Weer's own life story, and I'm much more reluctant to
believe that
Wolfe is altering the details here. But this relates to the
whole unicorn
debate, which I think we could argue about for eternity.
I just had the thought that maybe part of the reason there's been so
much
discussion about Mr. Tilly's story and Doris's story is that it's
not clear
whether they should be counted as embedded stories or not.
-Stone Ox
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