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From: James Jordan <jbjordan@gnt.net> Subject: (whorl) Horn Lives Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:11:24 I'm finally done with the book, and have not finished all the posts, but at this point I'm not at all convinced that Horn is gone and Silk lives. Quite the opposite. But I'm not completely sure. Let me make a case for this reading, and you can respond. Because I think all you guys are wrong. We have to pay attention to who the narrator is. Hoof and Hide NEVER believed that "Father" was Horn. Neither did Remora. Now Remora CLAIMS that he got the narrator finally to see the light and admit that he is Silk? Really? Are we supposed to believe this? People have been trying to get Horn to do this for over a year, but he knows fully who he is. But when they keep it up, as he says himself, sometimes he just stops arguing. Are we really supposed to take three pages of Remora's testimony and pit it against hundreds of pages of testimony from the narrator? Really? Yes, Remora is a "good guy," if definitely annoying. But he has his own preconceptions. I don't think he's lying, but I don't think he recognizes the truth at all. He sees what he wants to see. Sure, the kids who write the final chapters believe he is Silk. Of course they do. And so does Remora. But there is no indication FROM THE NARRATOR that he ever accepts this, is there? Why don't they think he is Horn? Not just because he looks different, but because he manifests Silk's abilities, which are not Horn's. But (a) Horn has always tried to mimic Silk, and that's part of it. And (b) we have Horn's personality in Silk's body. Thus, he manifests Silk's physical genes and gifts, becoming an outstanding leader. And he has some of Silk's memories, since they are lodged in Silk's physical brain. This construction fits perfectly, I submit, with the theology of the book. Christians live in Christ, in the body of Christ (both personal and churchly), and receive the same Holy Spirit as Jesus received. So, Horn lives in Silk's body, and receives the same Oreb. And, feeding on Christ's body eucharistically, Christians receive from Him. Similarly, Horn is receiving things from Silk's body. But Horn's personality as dead and obliterated? No way. It is Silk's personality that is gone. Now, the narrator does say that he killed Hide and Hoof's father. But this could mean several different things, such as that his actions on Green resulted in the death of his body. It does not have to mean that a reviving Silk drove out the remnants of Horn. At the end, the astral body of Horn appears most like Silk. Well, as Christians mature they are supposed to become more Christlike. That is, their inner selves are supposed to conform to Christ. And in the astral sphere, what we see are the inner selves. I don't think that this Silk-like appearance of the astral body means any more than that. Similarly, the human appearance of the astral inhumi shows that they are becoming human in their inner persons. It's Horn, folks. First, middle, and last. Horn all the way. Horn becoming more Silk-like. Horn "becoming conformed to Christ in the inner man" as St. Paul puts it. But Horn. Nobody else. There. That's the gauntlet. Patera Nutria *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.moonmilk.com/whorl/ *To leave the list, send "unsubscribe" to whorl-request@lists.best.com *If it's Wolfe but not Long Sun, please use the URTH list: urth@lists.best.com