Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:03:18 +0000
From: Spectacled Bear 
Subject: Re: (urth) DOORS: Tina's origins

At 08:14 2003-01-28, Roy C. Lackey wrote:
>Spectacled Bear wrote:
>>But the really interesting question about Tina, that I have not seen
>>addressed before, is: how does she know about Daddies? For his birthday,
>>"Didn't Mama and Daddy give you anything?" (p228) Green hasn't seen his
>>father for years, but Tina says his father still loves him. "I know about
>>Daddies, though. And you don't." And so on. Where in the world - in which
>>world - did she learn about Daddies?
>
>And just to confuse things further; when they were in the limo Tina said to
>Klamm, speaking of Green: "He needs your help, Papa." Klamm matter-of-factly
>answers her: "Then he shall haff it. Whatever I can give." (300) Why did
>Tina call him "Papa"?

I think she simply recognized him as such - but was it only because he was
acting in a helpful and fatherly manner, or is he really Green's father?
Some versions of the legend of Attis have him being the son of Cybele as
part of a cycle of death and rebirth. This fits with Green having memories
of Billy Hurst's life come back to him. But if all Lara's lovers are Attis
reincarnated, it's hard to see how there can be two of them around at the
same time in Green and Klamm. But if they aren't (and the story really 
doesn't seem to be constructed that way), why does Green feel that
he is remembering a previous life as a sea captain?

>Almost by definition, children in the Otherworld to whom the dolls were
>given wouldn't have a daddy. Given the necessarily limited amount of memory
>available in a mechanical doll, I don't think it would be expended on a
>person the child could never know.

That's right. Whereas if it was manufactured here, the manufacturers might
well not be in on the secret of the existence of the Otherworld, and would
program the doll for life in our world.

Spectacled Bear.



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