From: "Andy Robertson"
Subject: Re: (urth) contra Summa contra Marcus Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:26:40 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" > > An analogy to an outside source, with no citation of the text at > hand to invite compare with that outside source, hardly constitutes > "textual evidence." If there's a controlling Biblical analogy, it's > Moses. On the scale of Silk's life, yes. But here are multiple analogies here > In favor of an analogy to the Ark, I suppose one could adduce Typhon's > attempt to make himself God; against it, however, one might begin with > the highly-minimalist nature of the Ark as vs. the inclusion of many > cultures aboard the WHORL. Then, too, one can't help but wonder who in > this analogy would play a role even vaguely analogous to Noah's ... > Remora? Mainframe Typhon/Pas and his wife and quarreling family > > Well, yes. So either we have a totally unexplained shift in huge > portions of the animal kingdom, to a polyploidy that seems to > have no significant ill effect but produces doubled limbs; or > else, equally difficult to explain, beasts ranging from elephants > to crocodiles undergoing mutations that cause their limbs to > double. Either way, it requires a fair amount of explaining. > Perhaps you'd like to hypothesize some weird retrovirus that > does this? OK. Lets. > > The life forms of Blue are nearly all near - analogs of Urth > > forms, with the possible exception of the sea creatures. This > > is not true of Green, where the animals are far more alien, but > > even on Green the animals can eat and be eaten both by Blue and > > Urth fauna. > > We might note that this is true of the fauna of a number of alien > worlds in Wolfe texts, from the blue/green pair of FIFTH HEAD to > the homeworld(s) of Hehehethor's monsters and the alzabo. I suspect > Wolfe has some point in mind here, though just what it is has, so > far, eluded me. Hethor's monsters are far more alien to Urth than are any of the entities on Green or Blue. > > Well, no: if you assume that Blue is more massive than Green, > then it _must_ have proportionally greater tidal effects on > Green than Green does on Blue. Yes, but this means very little unless Green has world-oceans like Blue. It doesn't (it has a world-forest instead, that is why it is Green). Tidal effects depend on the size of the body of water. Earthquakes? No. The moon is solid from crust to core. > > 3) It is possible that Inhumi are native to Lune > > and lived there when it circled round Urth. > > There is _nothing_ native to the Moon, but let that > pass. (I find myself wondering about night-gaunts > again, though...) Ha ha. By "native" I should have said "colonised Lune long ago". But I agree it is a stretch. > > This would be in the same way that Northern California > has lower gravity than Vermont? It's not proof,. but it tends in the direction. My own beliefs on the Green/Blue Lune/Ushas conundrum are complex. It is a beautiful idea, but I suspect that if it were true we would be seeing many more direct signifiers. There is no *compelling* reason to believe it. What really runs behind it is the Blue World/Green World thematic duality that seems to be a near constant of Wolfe's planetary fiction. And it is possible that Wolfe has no clear idea himself, or is leaving his options open. hartshorn --