From: "Alice K. Turner" 
Subject: Re: (urth) Watts, presentiments, eponyms
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:12:18 -0500

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Thank you, Ratty, very informative post and I stand corrected. Some day =
I hope that you and I will get together and sing hymns. I'm not a very =
good singer, but I know tons of hymns and carols and love to sing them. =
(I bet you'd agree that RC hymns mostly suck--though you wouldn't put it =
that way.) I like show tunes too.

-alga
          Isaac Watts was not Church of England but a Congregationalist. =
The Puritan Congregationalists (his forebears) sang only metrical =
psalms. Watts set most of the Biblical psalter to verse as new metrical =
psalms, though a bit more freely than was traditional (and thus as =
better English poems). This one, and "Jesus Shall Reign Where'er the =
Sun" (Psalm 72) are found in almost all English-language hymnals: =
Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Baptist, etc.=20
          Wolfe is now RC, but grew up Presbyterian. He probably sang a =
four or five stanza reduction of Watt's Psalm 90 growing up -- few =
hymnals have all the stanzas.
          The tune commonly used for Psalm 90, St. Anne, is famous also =
because Bach wrote a wonderful Prelude and Fugue for organ based on it, =
sometimes used for wedding processions.
          Marc brought  it up to suggest that more than just the one =
stanza Wolfe quoted is relevant to the Severian narrative.
          Finally, and just so you know, it is the Lutherans who have =
the best church music. I'll bet many of the tunes you remember actually =
go back to Lutheran sources. But that's only a statistical win. The =
Welsh cannot be excluded, nor can later Anglican, etc.=20

  Jim Jordan (Nutria)



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Thank you, Ratty, very informative post =
and I stand=20
corrected. Some day I hope that you and I will get together and sing =
hymns. I'm=20
not a very good singer, but I know tons of hymns and carols and love to =
sing=20
them. (I bet you'd agree that RC hymns mostly suck--though you wouldn't =
put it=20
that way.) I like show tunes too.
 
-alga
        Isaac =
Watts was=20
  not Church of England but a Congregationalist. The Puritan =
Congregationalists=20
  (his forebears) sang only metrical psalms. Watts set most of the =
Biblical=20
  psalter to verse as new metrical psalms, though a bit more freely than =
was=20
  traditional (and thus as better English poems). This one, and "Jesus =
Shall=20
  Reign Where'er the Sun" (Psalm 72) are found in almost all =
English-language=20
  hymnals: Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Baptist, etc.=20
  =

        Wolfe =
is=20
  now RC, but grew up Presbyterian. He probably sang a four or five =
stanza=20
  reduction of Watt's Psalm 90 growing up -- few hymnals have all the=20
  =
stanzas.
        The=20
  tune commonly used for Psalm 90, St. Anne, is famous also because Bach =
wrote a=20
  wonderful Prelude and Fugue for organ based on it, sometimes used for =
wedding=20
  =
processions.
        Marc=20
  brought  it up to suggest that more than just the one stanza =
Wolfe quoted=20
  is relevant to the Severian=20
  =
narrative.
        Finally,=20
  and just so you know, it is the Lutherans who have the best church =
music. I'll=20
  bet many of the tunes you remember actually go back to Lutheran =
sources. But=20
  that's only a statistical win. The Welsh cannot be excluded, nor can =
later=20
  Anglican, etc. 

Jim Jordan =
(Nutria)


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